Humanizing Work Show Ep.2: The Relationship (or Conflict) Between Ease and Meaning at Work

“This is why successful serial entrepreneurs, even after a big exit, go on to start something else, not because they need the money, but because they need to do meaningful work.”

If you’re not growing, do you lose interest? If you’re not pushing yourself to the edge of your ability, where the stakes are high and the outcome matters, are you able to find meaning in your work? Is doing as little work as possible with the greatest financial gain the goal?

Peter Green and Richard Lawrence tackle the relationship (or conflict) between ease and meaning in this episode of the Humanizing Work Show.

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Richard Lawrence

Longtime co-owner of Agile For All, Richard left in October 2020 to co-found Humanizing Work. He trains and coaches people to collaborate more effectively with other people to solve complex, meaningful problems. He draws on a diverse background in software development, engineering, anthropology, and political science. Richard is a Scrum Alliance Certified Enterprise Coach and Certified Scrum Trainer, as well as a certified trainer of the accelerated learning method, Training from the Back of the Room. His book, Behavior-Driven Development with Cucumber, was published by Addison-Wesley in 2019 (for more information, visit

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